Torture, yes it is torture

The President is just plain wrong. The techniques that he wants to allow are torture. It's not just wrong morally, it is wrong because torture is ineffective. People who are tortured will end up saying what they think the torturer wants to hear. We are, supposedly a light to the nations. I could quote several presidents, many statesmen and people from before we were a nation if I wanted to look it up. But it is just wrong. For a good analysis of the latest speech go to Balkinization.